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Mindy Cohn 00:01
Everyone, Christian and I welcome you back to another episode of Monday's with Monday, everybody. Welcome back to the show. Today's episode features a conversation with journalist correspondent and editor Alina Cho. Born and raised in Vancouver, Washington. She is not a Canadian, American. Alina earned an MS from Northwestern University macdill School of Journalism and a BA from Boston College. She also holds an honorary doctorate from Old Dominion University for her contributions to journalism. Oh, early in her career she held posts at ABC and CNBC but quickly moved to CNN where she spent a decade as the National correspondent and during her tenure there she made two trips to North Korea covered the historic first election of President Obama member those days question paper good days Yeah. And was part of the Peabody and Emmy Award winning team that ran and covered the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. She also hosted the network specials, fashion backstage pass, and big stars big giving. She is currently a contributor to my favorite weekly must see TV, CBS Sunday morning, where her story about sting and his wife Trudie Styler just won an Emmy. Yes, I voted for it. Congrats. She also yes hosts a lecture series at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York called the affiliate with Alina Chow, whose past guests include Of course Anna Wintour, Donatella Versace, Vera Wang and her dear friend, Michael Kors. She also serves as editor at large at Ballantine, Bantam Dell, where she is responsible for acquiring and editing fashion and lifestyle books, including the memoirs of Donna Karen and Tommy Hilfiger, two books with Jessica Seinfeld, and a nonfiction book with my dearest darling Joe Parkman. Alina currently lives in New York City. And while she and I share many an acquaintance and friend, we actually connected during COVID as regulars dancing away online with our friend Marjorie guberman. Mad Marj, her dance parties. They're available on Twitch, by the way, and of course, on social media. Yes, even I've become a little bit of a slave during this time to connecting people on social media. Yeah, it's kind of normal. Yeah, I know. I'm glad to be normal. The new normal the new normal ish. That's right. That's right. Well ladies and gentlemen, I'm excited to meet and have a conversation with her. Help me welcome her to the show ––– Alina Cho!
Alina Cho 02:26
Hi, welcome. this is so crazy Monday, because you will as you know, I'm not used to being interviewed myself. And I'd like to be doing the interviewing currently.
Mindy Cohn 02:37
But I am so excited. Well, you can interview me when I come to New York and we can have an interview over lunch or something. So that will happen. But no, I'm excited to get you on this side of the microphone. For sure. Me too. Yeah. So we start each podcast by pulling some random questions. We do about five. We don't do about five. We do five to five.
02:58
I like your Jonathan Adler laws, by the way, or, you know, hi, Johnny. I know he's a good friend, right? Yeah, we love Yes.
Mindy Cohn 03:06
Yes, he and Simon. That's right. Okay, Alina Cho. How do you unwind or unplug?
03:12
Oh, I mean, is this is terrible to say but like so many other people these days, I can't get on Instagram. And just I mean, it's so bad. It's so bad. I also read it, isn't it? It is and I mean, you know, I learned a lot. But I also but I also read, I read a lot. I read a lot for work. And I read a lot just you know, I can't go to bed. I just open a book. And for some reason, you know? Yes. Irene, it puts you right to sleep.
Mindy Cohn 03:47
That's an interesting because you do read so much for your work. Is it hard to read for pleasure?
03:53
No. is the short answer is no. The longer answer is that I tend to like to read fiction because my work life is so rooted in real life. And and so I read a lot of fiction. I just read Sexton vanity by Kevin Kwan who wrote crazy rich Asians in the trilogy. You know, China rich growth, whatever. Anyway, yes, he'd fan. It was a it was a fun summer beach read and so yes, you know, yeah,
Mindy Cohn 04:19
that's okay. That's great.
04:20
What's your favorite place in the world? And why? Oh, I would say this little island in southern Italy called coppery which made me
Mindy Cohn 04:35
beautiful
04:35
and I was your favorite. You know, I always say it's the one place in the world where I truly am relaxed and unwind. I could leave my phone in the hotel room all day and you know, I go on hikes site I eat well, I mean, will you know how the food is and it's beyond Yes. And you know, I'll swim all height. I you know, there's a small group of friends who you know, we all go at about the Same time every year and of course, we were super sadly that we couldn't go this year I tend to go in July. So it's just gonna skew when this when this jaunt happens every year, usually July, usually early July over Fourth of July. I always say I'm there for two weeks, and I spend 11 months in two weeks wishing I were there. Yeah. Is it a place that you see yourself spending more and more time? I mean, listen in retirement. Yeah. I mean, who wouldn't want to spend a month or two? The whole summer, right? You know, in Europe, I have dreams about that. Sure.
Mindy Cohn 05:34
I've started to age into that age. We're now friends and I occasionally talk about so like, what are we going to do? Right? Those are going to new conversations I've really started to have in earnest, you know, especially now.
05:47
Yeah, and I really have a little bit of a, I mean, I don't want to say it's a 1% problem or issue. But you know, you do start to think okay, could I get a group of friends together? Maybe we can rent a home or in Italy or France. It's like kind of Samoan where we'll have a long house and everyone will have their you know, I mean, just being single. Yeah. I'm convinced my husband is out there somewhere. Just in case you didn't get the memo.
Mindy Cohn 06:12
We have been talking about this kind of communal, no one wants to not only age, by themselves or alone, but I like to live among people. So right. He's the conversations we're having him Where are we going to do it? And you know, I'm now going to put Capri on my list. So there it is.
Alina Cho 06:27
Well, there you come next year.
Mindy Cohn 06:28
Next year. Oh my gosh,
06:30
I would love that, you know, it's and it's and it has that sort of feel because we have a small group of friends. We have all of our meals together we go swimming and get on the boat together. And it's just it's really great. And I really miss I missed that. You know, I missed the travel. I'm sure you do too. And I'm I just just me out in the world.
Mindy Cohn 06:50
My group of friends too. We've been doing these big trips every year and this is the first year we haven't gone when it's weird. It was
06:58
really that was the genesis of your your podcasts in the first place. Right. But you you you weren't spending time with the people you love your creatives and yes, and and I feel the same way I feel Yes.
Mindy Cohn 07:10
Well and also working you know, not working during this time. I'm grateful I'm going back to work, but it's been so long that I realized I get fuel from talking to other creatives. 100% I don't know, you know? Yeah, hundred percent. Okay, so this is great. I mean, talk about serendipitous. So among your friends, what are you best known for? Oh, lately, lately my cooking? Oh. Yes. I mean, everybody, you got to check out these Instagram posts of Alina and her cooking. Okay, you're superb. Are you new to the cooking scene? Are? I yes.
07:50
Yes. So so. So this is crazy. So I you know, pre quarantine could barely boil in a could barely make toast. And every time I would go in the kitchen, like if I was cooking for like a date or something. I mean, I was terrified. But then all of a sudden, I couldn't go to a restaurant. My mom has been with me this whole time. And so I wanted Yeah, and you know, honestly, she, our birthdays are in March. And she was here for that period. And she was about to go back home to the west coast when the world shut down. Yeah. And so she's been with me this whole time. And she left the apartment but this so that I could have some
Mindy Cohn 08:29
Oh, tell her Thank you. But I love that you've been with someone and I love her. That's what it's lovely. And I'm sure it's been great for her.
08:38
So partially I learned how to cook so that I could feed us and she's Of course having the time of her life. She's like, I haven't cooked for seven months. You know, I learned really on YouTube and and through cookbooks. And you know, I know gardens a favorite of mine, you know, perfect contesta of course, the usual suspects Martha Stewart. Jessica Seinfeld,
Mindy Cohn 08:58
like, you know, you've been pulling it off. So you were you, her editor her we mentioned that in the intro. Jessica's two books. Were those her cookbooks or no.
09:10
So in name, I am, I suppose is still an editor at large at Ballantine Vance. And Dell is a division of Random House. And I was brought on initially to procure books in the fashion space. So right, I helped get Donna Karen to write a memoir Tommy Hilfiger. And then I just, I thought, Well, why don't we sort of broaden things out a bit. And so I look to people who I knew and really respected like Jill Cartman like Jessica Seinfeld, and I thought, well, why not try to get them to do books too. And so that's how that happened. But no, I did my work. I didn't edit the books. I basically brought them into our house, so to speak.
Mindy Cohn 09:49
Got it? I got it. No, listen there. She's an she's an incredible cook. Yeah, uh, Alina Cho. What assumptions or assumption do people make about you? That are wrong.
10:01
Uh, I think some people who don't know me or maybe who have just seen me on television, and maybe you get this too, or maybe not, but because you're so friendly, but I think people think that I'm unapproachable, which is my excuse for still being single.
10:18
But, but I might steal
Mindy Cohn 10:19
that. Yeah, right.
10:21
Totally unapproachable. That's the problem.
10:25
But I think, I think anyone who knows me and certainly my friends are always like, you're so normal, you know, and I like to think I am. And I like to think I'm friendly, you know, when you get to know me, but I think sometimes whenever they you know, they have this impression of you, when they don't know you, right? I mean, so with that, right? Or people always think you're happy, right?
Mindy Cohn 10:47
Yeah. So that's the feedback that I've gotten, by the way of being single is that apparently, I project and present like I'm already taken. And I've always been that way very independent, and very comfortable in my skin, even when I'm not, you know, I, I'm an actor, I perpetrate a fraud very easily. And so that sort of sense of self. A couple of my straight guy friends have said to me, You totally present like you're married
11:13
already. Yeah, most people think that I am to say, it's very unusual.
Mindy Cohn 11:17
And lately I've been getting the whole Will you know, if you're gay, you can just come out and I thought, first of all, have you met me? I've been a fan since I was 13. I mean, if I was gay, I would have been out with you know, rainbow flags. should only have been that
11:34
yet. Right. I think you didn't you tweet about it. I think I saw you
Mindy Cohn 11:38
already. Thompson. I always want to say when I get that the first of all, being gay. There's nothing wrong with being gay. I'm not saying that. You know, I am very heterosexual. And I find that misrepresentation is is harsh, because do they ask tracee? Ellis Ross, I mean, there's so many of us, I just want to say that I know in my life that are single never been married, don't have children successful or straight, attractive women, all and it's very interesting. I feel along with ageism, there's this kind of little secret group that we have a little prejudice against us a little bit. Or maybe I'm just getting like old and cranky. Well, the question I get all the time,
12:19
which is fine. I don't necessarily take offense. But the question I get all the time is, so how many kids do you have? I don't know if you get that? You have because there's an assumption that I'm married with three children. And yeah, and that's not to say that, I wouldn't like that. Of course, you know, be great. If that happens that I still hope that it does happen. Um, but
Mindy Cohn 12:40
but I'm not well, not there. Well, yeah. Same. No, it will I always tell people in it. It's really true. It's very rare that you can get to my age and never have experienced something yet. And the fact that I haven't experienced marriage yet, I find that very exciting. Yeah, well, I find and maybe it's that terminal optimism that I have, but I you know, not a lot of my friends can say, Oh, we've done everything. We've just done everything once already, and I haven't. So I still find it. Very romantic, very exciting. And we're not meant to be not paired off. I'm convinced. So it's happening. It's happening. something to look forward to 100% Absolutely. Okay. And finally, Selena, how did where you grew up? Or where you were raised, develop your aesthetic? Or did it? Well, it has
13:27
really more to do with my mother than anything else. I mean, my mother when I was growing up was super into fashion. And, and I remember coming, we'd go out shopping or something, and we'd come home and she would say to my Dad, look what we got on sale, and my dad would
13:47
potentially still say, Ben
13:51
but I just remember my mom really always being into it. And also and it's interesting because now I've actually sort of we've morphed into having very similar tastes so really there Yeah, sometimes I'll buy a dress like she's currently out walking about Manhattan right now and address that that I own as well. But she thought and she said Oh, I think I want that tool. Yes, yes. So in terms of my look, yeah, I mean, my mom was probably most formative you know, but I just I you know, I love fashion as you know, I've covered fashion for for many many years and and it's just something I've I I just have a passion for and so
Mindy Cohn 14:33
there you have it. Well, it seemed I mean, not by looking at me but what's so funny is Oh, Mickey and I, you know, used to get the look of just like, you know, how did Mindy combs score front seat next to Becky Boardman What is happening? Right and I have just been a fan for so long. I just love everything about it from the textiles to just the artistry of it. And I do it's wearable art in my opinion. Yeah. So I'm I'm Just a huge fan. I freak out more not at meeting either a famous actor, but like a fashion designer. Oh, and I, I have their tag on the back of my neck. I know a little crazy. I have a little flopsweat for sure.
15:12
Well, but yeah, because you because Hollywood is your world, right? Maybe. So I'm the other way around. I mean, I, of course get super excited about meeting a celebrity. If it's somebody I'm a fan of certainly, right. Yes.
Mindy Cohn 15:25
So yes, I think anybody doing their thing at that level really was very impressive. So yeah, totally. So I want to kind of do a deep dive into your creative process, whatever that means to you. Because you do so many different things, not just straight on journalism. But what inspires you what sort of makes you say, especially in the current job you have now as a contributor on CBS Sunday, what inspires you what's like, I need to tell this story?
15:53
Well, you know, it's interesting, because we alluded to this earlier, but I'm really inspired by other creative people. And my friends, it was interesting, because I'm always pitching stories to the executive producer of the show, because that's how you get on right, you know, with your ideas, just like you would a show or whatever. So I noticed that after a while, like I wasn't generating as many ideas during quarantine. And I thought, why what's going on? Like, has is my brain in a fog? Am I, I don't know, am I depressed? Like I couldn't figure out what it was. And I realized what it was suddenly, like a light bulb went out, went off. And I realized that I wasn't around people and I feed off their energy, I feed off their ideas. And I just been out in the world and I get some of my best ideas from my friends. We'll be out to dinner. I'll be at a Marjorie guberman Sunday brunch, and you know, my ritual. And we'll be talking, I'll be I could be talking to anyone. And suddenly something will go off. And I'll think that would be great story. And so I'm seeing a few more people. Now obviously, I'm in my little bubble. and nice. That's super helpful. But yeah, I feed off other people and just being out in the world. That's how I generate my ideas. I mean, obviously from reading to but but mostly from mostly from other creatives.
Mindy Cohn 17:13
So give me your top three, and I won't hold you to this. It's we're in a we're in a time bubble. Um, if you could sit down and sit across from give me a few of your top five top three people you would want to do a story about on Sunday. You want to talk to
17:29
who I'd love to interview? Yeah, now Okay. Um, this isn't in any special order. No, but but I would say maybe someone like Megan Markel, and Harry,
Mindy Cohn 17:41
oh, heck,
17:42
yes. Great, um, people who are really in the site guys, too, who don't give interviews. So I mean, of course, everybody's going to say someone like the Queen of England.
Mindy Cohn 17:53
Like, yes, you know, I you laugh. But I find her so fascinating that I know why she's on everyone's list. I mean, what an incredible woman right? who've lived the life she's lived. Forget even that she's royal. It's just that Hoshi scene and sit across from the last 90 years.
18:11
And I just I think, you know, I would love to, I mean, because of what's going on right now. We're on the eve of the election. Really, I'd love to sit down with both Joe Biden and President Trump. I have a few questions for both of them. Yes, I bet you do. Yes. As I think we all but it would be so nice. I especially feel in this time. It's so funny, my friend and I were just having this conversation and Lena, it would be so nice. There's something about Unfortunately, it was under crisis. But when the clinton sat down with 60 minutes when I like those personal get to know you, even though we think we know everything about these people, we really don't, because they're not asked about their personal life and their views on certain things. It's interesting, because I had the great honor of interviewing President Clinton years ago, but it was when I was doing a show for CNN called big stars, big giving. And it was really, it came out of the financial crisis, just like your podcast came out of quarantine, because there was so much bad news at the time. Of course, it seems so provincial now compared to what's going on. But, but there was there one to come. Yeah, that's right. But there was a big, you know, the big financial crisis of 2008 2008. And I remember one of my friends saying to me, you know, every time I turn on the TV, it's bad news. Can't you do something? That's good news. And so I pitched this idea to the network about joining the show about very well known people who were doing great things in the world, you know, in philanthropy, and so that's how I was able to interview people like Nicole Kidman, or Halle Berry or President Clinton and I will never forget. We of course, President Clinton who's famously always late right, so he was late. Yeah, interview, and then his staff very kindly whispered in my ear, you've got 20 minutes and 45 minutes later, he was still talking right? Which is no surprise And his staff was like a suppressor. We've got to go, we've got to go. Yeah. And so he said, Okay, okay. And so the cameras go off. We're thinking he's out the door as the crew is breaking down. He's talking to all of us. This is his appeal. Yes. Talking to all of us about how at the time you just become vegan, and he was talking about how I said, Is there any particular food you really miss now that you're vegan? And he said, I'll tell you something, Alina. I really miss. I'll have like a little butter turkey at Thanksgiving. And then I really missed frozen yogurt. And I said, frozen yogurt. Random. That was my one presidential experience. But it was it was a biggie. It was a good one.
Mindy Cohn 20:51
imitation of that experience. I know. pretty brilliant, accurate.
20:56
Not a terrible impression. No, not awful at all. Do you miss hum of of working at a CNN versus what you're doing right now? Oh, of work. You mean being just in the thick of the news and everything? I mean? Yes. So there are days that I miss it? Certainly. And and I and I certainly keeping track of everything. I read everything. I watch everything. Yes. But it can be hard on your life sometimes. But But I but yes, I mean, I guess the The short answer is yes. Some days I do mine. But what I get in return from working, CBS Sunday morning is that I am able to do these incredible in depth pieces on subjects and people who I really care about and are passionate about. So that part is really great. I mean, you know this Mindy, you know that eight minutes on television is a lifetime. And to be able to have that kind of real estate, if you will, is a real gift. So and I have to say my my Tony friends who have made it on, you know, a segment have always said of all the things including the awards they have received, whether it be a Golden Globe, or it's when you book a segment on CBS Sunday morning.
Mindy Cohn 22:16
Oh, that gives me the chills Really? Like Tell me Oh, well, we all feel I mean, it's our as I said in the intro, it's our must see TV. I mean, it has been forever.
22:25
Yeah, yeah. Well, for people who aren't familiar with the show. I mean, it is, you know, of course, you know, Mindy and Krishna, it's, it's considered really the premier Arts and Culture Show in the United States. And there's nothing else like it. So I think in that way, right? It's revered, and fans of the show are real fans. And yeah, that's really great. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you watch the show,
Mindy Cohn 22:46
oh, religiously. My my whole life. I my parents got me into it when I was a little kid. And at first I found it incredibly boring. But then I kind of fell madly in love with Charles curl. Little did I know that that's what was happening. I just needed to have my weekly fix of him. But it really is the storytelling. Above all, I'm a storyteller, so it resonates with me. And I also just feel, especially in this time, I think culture and society always needs it. But especially now we just I don't know about you, but I crave it. I have not and have had to stop myself from watching so much news. I agree. First of all, because it's so repetitive Truth to be told. And our news isn't like I always equate like the BBC, where you find out what's happening all over the world. We tend in America not to do that. Yeah. Which is a bummer. Yeah. You know, because I think people forget we're actually a piece of this bigger, bigger pie.
23:42
That's right. And I think I think the reason why CBS Sunday morning is so popular, especially right now is because we are seen as a respite from all of the craziness in the world. It's a it's a safe space. You know, I don't not all happy news, but right. It's always in depth. There's always something in the show that will bring you joy. And I think that there's something special about that.
Mindy Cohn 24:07
Yes. Well, and if we can't go to concerts, or fashion shows or or amusement parks or whatever else, you're going to kind of get that thrill from at least we can watch it for an hour and a half every week.
24:19
That's right. And Jane Polly's pretty amazing. I have to say what a fit. Right? It's
Mindy Cohn 24:25
first I was like interesting choice. interesting choice. Boy. I mean, meant for it. Yeah,
24:31
totally man for it.
Mindy Cohn 24:32
Yeah. And I hope she's enjoying it. It seems like she is Oh, yeah, she I mean, Who wouldn't? Who would it be a prestigious school but she
24:41
and I'm, I'm such a fan. So to be on the show. to have her say my name.
24:48
That's a big deal.
Mindy Cohn 24:49
Yeah, yeah. Well, I do have to say as we've said in the intro, Emmy Award winning piece on, on staying and you know, I want you to know, I voted. I voted My little television Academy, you know, chip on the box. toys like that. No, but it's stories like that people we love and know for one thing and yet we hear about their passions, right? Again, I find that so inspiring that someone that already has such a passion for this in that, you know, tschudi for acting and and sing obviously for his music have this other passion. Yes, I found that really inspirational.
25:27
Yes. And they're there right now. They're at their home in Tuscany right now. And I think they just finished their harvest for that. So for people who don't know, staying in truth, I interviewed sting and Trudie at their home in Tuscany. And they make wine and they make olive oil, and they make honey there. And it's their real passion. It's their safe face. It's their happy place. And they've been there throughout quarantine. And
Mindy Cohn 25:48
they've been there for seven months or six months, whatever. So
25:50
I think pretty much Well, almost almost the whole time. And I think not a bad place to be stuck. But they're no.
Mindy Cohn 26:00
Hard. Yeah, I can
26:02
write you know, in the beginning the beginning. I'm there. Maybe they want later. Yeah, they might have gone later. But they're extraordinary people. And it was what a joy. And you know, we stayed in their home. Did you really well. There's Pam there. I mean, there are there is some isolated, you know, there's not there's not a lot around them. Yeah, so I think the closest hotel whatever was was not close. And so just in order to for practical reasons to get our work done. I mean, listen, it was not our chip.
Mindy Cohn 26:32
I can only assume that it wasn't. But how lovely Oh, what a real treat. Well, and now it's really, you know, such a nice reward to which I know is never a goal seeking mission. But it's still
26:45
nice. It was it was it was really an honor to be a part of that show. And it was such a special show, because every piece is you know, that was shot in Italy. And so it was I mean, I dream about doing that again, something
Mindy Cohn 26:57
Oh, yes, definitely. So what's up next for you? Can you even get up the gumption to? To answer that yet? Is it is it still too soon?
27:05
So I was just assigned a story. I can't say who I'm interviewing. But I can say that the plan is that it will air in November. And it's somebody who is someone I really revere an icon, if you will, in his field, and I have to do a deep dive his book is coming out. So I've got to read his book. And then we've, he's a bit older. And so we're required to be COVID tested before I interview him. And so I'm in a tight bubble right now. I'm doing work. So it's so interesting to start practicing that right. That's right. And so but it's super exciting. I always like to do it. The sort of my approach with interviews is over, prepare and then go with the flow. Yeah. And so right. So you read everything, you know, your information cold. But then in the moment, you've got to be nimble, right? Yeah, that'd be right. Yeah. And you've got it. And that's what made our pieces on the show, I think really shine and sing is when you're having when you feel like you're in on a conversation. Right. So that's, that's what it's all about. So but I think and maybe I'm being verbose, but I mean, I I do think that's part of the reason why journalism and acting is so close in that it's all in the preparation. But yes, you have to be in the moment and spontaneous. That's right. Yeah. You have to be able to. Yeah, I love that about it. Yeah, yeah, right.
Mindy Cohn 28:32
That's a similarity. So are you do you have to travel for this story? Are you staying in the city? I'm not trying to get who it is. But I mean, you're gonna have to
28:39
travel or no, we there was a, there was a thought that we might have to go to Florida to do part of the shoot, but but as it turns out, we can do everything in New York. And so given the moment, I think it's better, so we can get it all done. And the viewers won't know the difference. Right? This person happens to have a very beautiful home in Florida, and it would have been very nice to be able to be there to do one of the interviews, but but but that's okay. That's okay.
Mindy Cohn 29:10
Yes. Lena, you kind of touched on this, Kendra, just saying that do you find dealing with quarantine and COVID and some of these new limitations? Is it that much more challenging to really carve out an in depth story? I guess I'm trying to say like, we all have an expectation of ourselves that we want to reach to deliver a product or something to our fans, our guests, whatever it is, do you feel like that's that much more difficult to do now to kind of reach your own standard because of there's these limitations or is it opening up new creative avenues?
29:38
So yes, and no, I would say in one sense. I mean, I love and Mindy, I'm sure you're the same way. I'm just crushing YouTube, you know, you thrive on being with the person you're you're you're working with you're interviewing with, right and you've got that sort of energy that you can't replicate when you're doing it over zoom or whatever. But having said that, I think The viewers have benefited from us being more nimble, right. So we can do a zoom interview from anywhere in the world and, and you're still getting a story, of course, would it be better to travel to the location? Of course, of course, but, but we're still getting it done. I mean, I will say I can't wait to be able to travel again, for stories. There's so many ideas that I have that there was an idea that I had that would have taken me to Italy, potentially just before the world shut down. And so
Mindy Cohn 30:33
yes, a very good one.
30:35
I tend to pick stories in Italy and yeah.
Mindy Cohn 30:42
I look forward to the day where we we can drop the you know, when we shut down? Yeah, exactly. You know, little in parentheses. I look so forward, and I think we're I think we're heading in that direction. For sure. I do the light at the end. It's not a train. So I
31:01
know. Yes, yes. I mean, the week we've had thank
Mindy Cohn 31:06
you so so much. I have to tell you, you have been on my bucket list. I can't wait to connect with you in person.
31:12
I know Me too. Me. Related that
Mindy Cohn 31:15
you know, we're gonna just be new very close friends. Period. Full stop.
31:19
I feel like you're a friend already. And I mean, it's the wheel. I think you're the first I'm not kidding you. I think you're the first friend I've made on social media. We met online. I'm not kidding you.
31:33
I love you already. I love it. All right, that
Mindy Cohn 31:35
makes you very happy. Well, I I happen to like the company that you keep. So I think that was part of it, too. We have so many mutual whatever's. But anyway, I can't wait to see your next story. And we want to thank you so much for gracing us with your gorgeous presence. Oh,
31:54
thank you, Mandy. Thank you, Christian. It's been so fun.
Mindy Cohn 31:58
Have a good one. Ladies and gentlemen, Alina Cho
